‘I nonetheless suppose Tony was proper on Iraq’: Labour’s Ben Bradshaw on Blair, Brexit and battling homophobia

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‘I nonetheless suppose Tony was proper on Iraq’: Labour’s Ben Bradshaw on Blair, Brexit and battling homophobia

After Ben Bradshaw was chosen because the Labour candidate for Exeter in 1997, Peter Mandelson apparently mentioned: “Bloody hell, the place did you come from?” Bradshaw had been a journalist, BBC Radio’s man on the bottom on the fall of the Berlin Wall. He gained the seat, on the age of 36, browsing the wave of enthusiasm for Tony Blair. Maybe extra importantly, as an overtly homosexual candidate – solely the second in British parliamentary historical past – he proved that the nation had had sufficient not simply of the Tories normally however of raging homophobes. Adrian Rogers, whose majority he overturned, notoriously described homosexuality as a “sterile, disease-ridden and God-forsaken occupation”.

I meet Bradshaw in Portcullis Home, his workplace crammed not with grumpy staffers however two kids studying the ropes, which provides it a barely festive, finish of time period temper. It’s a bit like seeing Hugh Grant in actual life: remembering him so nicely as a relentless display screen presence within the Blair and Brown years – armoured by energy, softened by allure, with the faintly suspicious air of a man who finds every little thing a bit too straightforward – now a bit extra bashed about and way more actual. Bradshaw gained’t be standing once more on the subsequent election and his openness about it’s disarming. “One cause I’ve completely no misgivings about stepping down,” he says, “is that I’m nonetheless traumatised by Brexit. It was such a catastrophe for the nation.”

He served his time below Blair, the primary time period as a backbencher and the second as a junior minister. He’s referred to as a Blairite – you would even name him an arch-Blairite, relying in your temper – however was personally nearer to Gordon Brown, in whose cupboard he served as a well being minister, and later as secretary of state for tradition, media and sport. He has been on the backbenches for nearly 14 years – not a fan of Ed Miliband (“He was by no means going to win. I bear in mind pondering very strongly: ‘We’ve chosen the fallacious brother’”) or of Jeremy Corbyn, whom he held not less than partly chargeable for Brexit. He’s not in Keir Starmer’s internal circle, however he’s an excellent fan: when Starmer was campaigning to be chief, Bradshaw was amongst his most diligent phone-bankers, calling round native events garnering assist. I ask him about Starmer’s well-known pledges – 10 guarantees to Labour members that made him sound loads like Corbyn-in-a-tie, together with taking utilities again into public possession and abolishing tuition charges. Did Bradshaw know that these pledges weren’t going to final? “I didn’t know, I didn’t care. I assumed the pledges have been a mistake,” he says.

Bradshaw makes his victory speech in Exeter in 1997. {Photograph}: Apex

That brings us as much as the current day, with the Labour get together as in style because it’s been since Bradshaw’s arrival 27 years in the past, in a political panorama denatured by Brexit and the chaos that adopted. There’s loads he gained’t resile from. “I nonetheless suppose Tony was proper on Iraq, I do know that’s a really retro view,” he says, drawing out the vowels in “view”, as if making an attempt to stave off me leaping in and yelling at him. Requested whether or not, on reflection, he noticed something in Labour’s three historic phrases that laid the foundations for the mass disaffection of the years since – whether or not that was the wage stagnation that no one talked about or New Labour’s “intensely relaxed” method to the super-rich – he says he’s not an economist. He noticed the colleges being constructed and the NHS again on its toes. He noticed larger dwelling requirements (honest – whereas they weren’t speaking about wages, they have been combating little one poverty). “The transformation of the life probabilities of the younger folks in my constituency was a very powerful factor and I might see it taking place in entrance of me.”

But when he gained’t waver in his loyalty to Blair or Brown, there are different issues – his assist for transgender rights, for Palestinian rights – that put him on the left of the get together. In speaking to Bradshaw, who hasn’t modified in 27 years, you see up shut how a lot the Labour get together has. Individuals who now suppose they’re channelling Blair have forgotten how optimistic, receptive, principled and radical the early years have been, economics apart.

Born in 1960 to an Anglican vicar father and first college trainer mom, Bradshaw was the youngest of 5 by over a decade. It was a progressive, politically energetic household: lots of shouting on the TV, loads of working for workplace (one in all his brothers stood for parliament, in addition to his maternal grandfather, who stood in Eire as a Residence Rule Liberal). They lived in rural Norfolk till Bradshaw was 13, then moved to Norwich, which is when he joined the Labour get together. He went on a German change journey when he was 18, fell in love along with his change companion, and was in that relationship for the following 12 years, via his German diploma at Sussex, his early profession on the BBC and the extraordinarily early dying of each his dad and mom. His mom died of early onset dementia when he was 19, nursed by him and his father, who died 5 years later, having “by no means actually recovered”.

It’s “fairly widespread, amongst politicians,” to be bereaved so younger, he says.

‘I used to be the one who would get wheeled out to defend Gordon on the At the moment programme’ … Bradshaw with Gordon Brown in 2009. {Photograph}: Oli Scarff/Getty Photographs

Bradshaw was by no means concerned in scholar politics: “It was nonetheless a sort of radical hotbed and I discovered it not very fulfilling or price spending time on. I used to be busy popping out and having time, as most individuals do.” However a part of his motivation for standing in 1997 was that Rogers was “masquerading as an inexpensive average, and I assumed: ‘If I’m the candidate, that can smoke him out.’” It labored like a allure: at one level, Rogers mentioned, “Bradshaw is a gay, works for the BBC, rides a bicycle, speaks German: he’s every little thing about our nation that’s fallacious.” Bradshaw describes one voter on the doorstep as saying: “I’ve been a lifelong Conservative, however I shall be voting for you as a result of my brother was a gay in a much less type age and took his personal life.”

Bradshaw wells up on the reminiscence. I gained’t say I routinely disbelieve what politicians say they hear on the doorstep, but it surely’s the primary time I’ve heard something recounted so sincerely, not working the angle. “Bizarre, first rate folks in Exeter have been far additional forward than the media and political local weather on the time suggests.”

With husband Neal Dalgleish. {Photograph}: Alan Davidson/Shutterstock

To suppose how divided the nation was on sexuality within the 90s – provided that Bradshaw’s dad was wonderful about him being homosexual, reacting very a lot as a mainstream liberal Anglican would right now – is fascinating, however is it that totally different now? “It’s bizarre for me, having began my political profession in a public discourse dominated by homosexual equality, having thought that was all finished and put to mattress, now leaving after 27 years and it’s come again. It’s a special ethical panic, however with related traits: trans individuals are offered as a hazard to girls and kids. You already know, I used to be thought of a hazard to youngsters: ‘It’s a social contagion.’ We have been thought to make folks homosexual – that’s what part 28 was about. The extent of fixation, all the identical tropes: we’re getting that now about trans folks. It’s very distressing, but it surely’s way more distressing if you happen to’re trans.”

Bradshaw and his husband, BBC producer Neal Dalgleish, have a number of shut buddies who’ve trans youngsters. The pair have been married since 2006, however have been collectively since 1995; it truly made the information in 1997 that the brand new MP’s “homosexual lover” had been given a Home of Commons partner go. It felt like a stupendous new daybreak.

As loyal as he was to the early New Labour venture, Bradshaw has by no means been very chummy with different MPs. He was all the time a little bit of an outsider. He didn’t come up via get together ranks by the particular adviser route or the Nationwide Union of College students. There have been no British politicians at his and Dalgleish’s wedding ceremony; he by no means socialised round Westminster and its famously plentiful bars. “It’s not a spot I’ve ever discovered conducive to …” he trails off.

“Something?”

“Not likely. Not good governance. Not good decision-making.”

By 2001, he had been made the minister for the Center East and worldwide safety, the place he handled 9/11 in addition to Israel and Palestine, however he was solely within the submit for a 12 months. He bought shuffled to the Division for Atmosphere, Meals and Rural Affairs (Defra) in 2003 and heard later that it was due to his opposition to licensing F-16s to Israel. “Look, I’ve all the time been a supporter of Labour Associates of Palestine and the Center East,” he says rigorously. “It’s in all probability an uncommon place for someone who’s seen as a centrist, however that’s my view. I’ve by no means understood why some folks, on the best in addition to the left of the Labour get together, discover it tough to recognise the boundary between professional criticism of Israel and antisemitism.”

‘Brexit was such a catastrophe for the nation’ … former Conservative MP Sarah Wollaston and Bradshaw with anti-Brexit supporters outdoors Parliament in 2019. {Photograph}: NurPhoto/Getty Photographs

Perhaps in 2001 it wasn’t tough; in recent times, the get together has tied itself in knots below Corbyn and Starmer, with a whole bunch of members kicked out for antisemitism. Israel, in the meantime, has been accused of genocide within the worldwide courtroom of justice. So it truly is tough. However by no means thoughts. “So far as I’m involved, [the antisemitism controversy] was a nightmare the get together has woken up from,” Bradshaw says. In different phrases, the interior battle has been resolved to his satisfaction. Should you’re of the thoughts, as the New York Overview of Books as soon as put it, that the row was a “ruinous proxy” for the struggle between the left and the centre of the get together, then that is smart. His guys gained.

If Bradshaw was moved to Defra as punishment for being too anti-Israel – “Individuals mentioned that afterwards; I by no means had that dialog with Tony” – it was a hell of an extended exile, lasting till Brown grew to become prime minister in 2007. He had crunchy jobs below Brown: “One of many causes that Gordon promoted me to the cupboard was as a result of, via a few of his hardest instances, I used to be the one who would get wheeled out by Alastair [Campbell] to defend him on the At the moment programme, and there weren’t all the time lots of these sorts of individuals round.”

By the point the 2010 election got here spherical, he “thought the possible consequence was a Tory authorities. I used to be pleasantly shocked we disadvantaged them of a majority.” He remembers feverish discussions with Nick Clegg’s Liberal Democrats, making an attempt to sew collectively a red-yellow coalition. A cupboard colleague wished to throw within the towel, however Brown was adamant: “Don’t hand over energy, as a result of when you hand over energy, you don’t get it again for a really very long time. And he was proper. However, wanting again, Clegg had already determined he wished to go along with Cameron.”

Recalling the times that adopted, he says: “I’m not supposed to speak about my dialog with the Queen, however everybody else does. In my valedictory one-to-one, she was very involved for Gordon’s welfare, and I mentioned: ‘Look, he’s rushed again to Scotland with Sarah and the boys, and that’s the place he’s pleased. That’s the place folks recognize him.’”

‘I’m not supposed to speak about my dialog with the Queen’ … Bradshaw at his London residence. {Photograph}: Linda Nylind/The Guardian

I in all probability gained’t bear in mind, he says, one in all his largest regrets: that he stood for Labour deputy chief within the 2015 wrangles, pondering that the highest job would go to Liz Kendall, Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper, whereas Corbyn was racing previous them on the skin. “I spent the entire summer season traipsing spherical these bloody hustings, I spent lots of my very own cash which I couldn’t afford, solely to return final and see Jeremy Corbyn elected chief.” There’s extra wry humour on this than chagrin. Water below the bridge, in fact; he’s proud of the place the get together has landed.

I inform Bradshaw I’m relieved he’s resolute on trans rights; it’s solely per week since shadow well being secretary Wes Streeting U-turned and mentioned he’d been fallacious to say trans girls have been girls. If Streeting is in any respect indicative of the brand new mainstream Labour view, the rating appears very a lot Day by day Mail one, ideas nil. “He’ll be wonderful,” Bradshaw says. “Don’t fear about Wes.”

His confidence jogs my memory of one thing, however I can’t bear in mind what till later: in February 2016, I requested Ken Clarke whether or not he was in any respect apprehensive about Boris Johnson going full-metal Brexit for private benefit. “Oh, they’re all pro-European,” Clarke mentioned reassuringly, about the entire Johnson household. “He simply desires to make his entry into the fray slightly extra theatrical.” They’re humorous, politicians: nevertheless nicely they know one another, they nonetheless belief one another.

Bradshaw tells me he’s not totally positive what he’ll do subsequent – however he plans to spend a number of months after the election in Sicily. He offers me a number of the capers from his backyard there. Somebody later tells me that that is probably the most New Labour factor ever: discovering widespread floor over identification politics, and celebrating with Italian capers. I agree, however say I’d by no means write that, as “identification politics” is reductive, and I really like capers. I really feel as if we’ve remembered the worst of Blairism and are actually combating over the knowledge of revivifying it, which can by no means make sense except we bear in mind one of the best of it.


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